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read the review:-

http://linux-noob.com/review/suse/10/

 

see the installation screenshots from start to finish:-

https://www.linux-noob.com/screenshots/suse/10/

 

download Suse Linux OSS 10 yourself:-

http://www.opensuse.org

 

cheers

anyweb

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Hi,

 

Nice reviews but there is several mistakes I think. It would be nice if you could make some update on the review in order to give a true look of SuSE 10.0

 

- The review tell that the retail edition contains more packages as the OSS one. Please note that there is a free DVD of SuSE 10.0 named "eval" but trully free and usable.

 

Moreover, the extra packages could be installed by adding an install source to Yast

 

- The review tell that the update item should be at the top of the KDE menu. While it's true that this is more visible, as in MS Windows, but when you install SuSE and are logged in for the fist time, soon there is a pop-up message that ask to configure the automatic check for new updates.

 

- You tell that there is no MP3 support in SuSE. I'm not 100% sure but it seems I've read that there is stock MP3 support (almost in Amarok). I can't verify cause I've already installed the win32 codecs...

 

I think the MP3 support could be in the eval version, free as in beer ;o) even if not in the OSS edition. So, when adding the good package from Yast, you should have it.

 

- For the intel 2200bg wifi card, I've no problem at all, making next / next. It is automatically configured with DHCP and I didn't need to highlight it.

 

And I have a lot of settings for it, even the WPA support during install ! Nothing similar on others distros yet !

 

Perhaps the OSS version of SuSE didn't contain the firmware ? You should really give a try to the true SuSE release, not the OSS !

 

Even with SuSE 9.3 it was perfect with the same hardware and we have the same ! If there is really a problem with yours, the best thing to do is to participate in the dev process of SuSE. I've reported several bugs related to WIFI and PCMCIA during the dev, and I have a perfect fonctionnal computer with SuSE 10.0.

 

For the wireless icon, there is no wireless item under YAst cause it is set in the NIC setup. The system should detect if this is a WIFI card or not, and for me, it do it well.

 

Else, it's a nice review but you should update to tell the extra packages can be installed anf that WIFI is not OK for you but for other Centrino owners as me, it's perfect.

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I'm hooked, and as a current SuSE 9.0 user, I think it's time to upgrade, so I'll start downloading the CDs on Saturdauy. Question is: should I get the OSS version or Eval version considering what has been said above? Any ideas?

 

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I'm hooked, and as a current SuSE 9.0 user, I think it's time to upgrade, so I'll start downloading the CDs on Saturdauy. Question is: should I get the OSS version or Eval version considering what has been said above? Any ideas?

 

:)

 

I think the answer is clear ;o) If you are not a purist of 100% free as in free speech distro, so if you don't mind if there is proprietary components like Acrobat, Java, Real or Flash, then you make a better deal download directly the eval version.

 

Moreover, perphaps is there proprietary firmware (eg for the WIFI) directly in it and not in the OSS one ?

 

Eval is a curious name as it is a full product not limited in the time. It's the true SuSE. The only thing is there is some packages not on the CD / DVD but on the mirrors (majoritary some developpement libs and localisation packages).

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thanks for your comments nooky59

 

do me a favor and clarify this point:

 

Moreover, the extra packages could be installed by adding an install source to Yast

 

i do try to cover as much as i can in a review in the short space of time i have to write it, but of course i can't please everyone, as regards mistakes, i was reviewing the OSS version and i wanted others to know what to expect from that version. I don't think that was a mistake at all. The eval version is NOT an OSS version and of course, the experience may be different.

 

i'm glad you read it and i'm glad you pointed out those points for others to learn

 

more info about the eval cd here

 

http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/d...tions_eval.html

 

perhaps i should write a review on that also,

 

or if others would care to write the review, i'll publish it here on linux-noob.com/review

 

cheers

 

anyweb

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thanks for your comments nooky59

 

do me a favor and clarify this point:

 

Moreover, the extra packages could be installed by adding an install source to Yast

 

i do try to cover as much as i can in a review in the short space of time i have to write it, but of course i can't please everyone, as regards mistakes, i was reviewing the OSS version and i wanted others to know what to expect from that version. I don't think that was a mistake at all. The eval version is NOT an OSS version and of course, the experience may be different.

 

i'm glad you read it and i'm glad you pointed out those points for others to learn

 

more info about the eval cd here

 

http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/d...tions_eval.html

 

perhaps i should write a review on that also,

 

or if others would care to write the review, i'll publish it here on linux-noob.com/review

 

cheers

 

anyweb

 

 

Hi,

 

 

To clarify this point, here is some links :

 

http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/SuSE-Linux/i3...x10.0-GM-Extra/

 

http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/SuSE-Linux/i3...t-source-extra/

 

I let you add it to the Yast install source and look what there is inside thoose repositories ;o)

 

Your review is very nice but it's true that the SuSE offer is quite complex with 2 products and as a lot of Linux newbies will perhaps choose a distro on the reviews referenced by Distrowatch, it's very important that readers know they can have the same complete OS for free (even if it's good to buy it too ;o)).

 

For the WIFI, it's fun cause another review report such a problem but if you did it with the OSS, it could be nice for you to try with the Retail. I don't think the firmware is OSS compatible (as on the pure Debian, you must compiled the driver later after the install and it was not bundled in the OSS dev releases beta & RC of SuSE 10.0. I had to install the RPM later).

 

If you have the time to do this and change just a little your review if your WIFI works perfectly with it, it could be nice to point the differences in this area between the OSS and the retail one.

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Thanks for the advice about SUSE OSS and Eval, I'm downloading the (supposedly Eval version) of SUSE 10 now.

 

Should be good :)

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Well... it took me a while to figure out how to get the things working, but this is defintiely a welcoming release in that the networking works a whole lot better (i.e. I could use NetworkManager to... well... manage my connection and auto-switch from wired to wireless when it's necessary)!

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Well, as of this lunchtime I'm through 3/5 of the discs, and I can't wait to give SUSE 10 a try. I only have 1 MB broadband, but it wasn't long ago that I had 56k... :D

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I have now downloaded and installed SUSE 10, and it is great. I'd never realised what had changed while I'd been in SUSE 9.0 :), KDE looks so much better and sleek.

 

I've posted a couple of (post-install) screenshots, if you want to have a look. They are 1280x960.

 

Screenshot 1 - The GIMP and FreeCiv (great game)

 

Screenshot 2 - Konsole, Firefox, Quanta and Konqueror

 

 

Only one issue I had, the default installation of Apache put it here there and everywhere (ie in /srv, which I'm not used to), so I uninstalled the SUSE built version and compiled my own set of Apache 2.0.55, PHP 5.0.5 and MySQL 5.0.15 (in /usr/local).

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I have now downloaded and installed SUSE 10, and it is great. I'd never realised what had changed while I'd been in SUSE 9.0 :), KDE looks so much better and sleek.

 

I've posted a couple of (post-install) screenshots, if you want to have a look. They are 1280x960.

 

Screenshot 1 - The GIMP and FreeCiv (great game)

 

Screenshot 2 - Konsole, Firefox, Quanta and Konqueror

 

 

Only one issue I had, the default installation of Apache put it here there and everywhere (ie in /srv, which I'm not used to), so I uninstalled the SUSE built version and compiled my own set of Apache 2.0.55, PHP 5.0.5 and MySQL 5.0.15 (in /usr/local).

 

Nice that SuSE 10 make you happy ;o)

 

Just one stuff regarding your screenshots, if you like a better font rendering (if you feel it better of course ;)), here is one link to a WIKI page I've written :

 

http://www.opensuse.org/Optimal_Use_of_MS_...Desktop_on_SuSE

 

The stuff that surprised me with Apache / PHP is the PHP errors are not displayed on the browser but on the apache error log. There were several minutes where I didn't understand why my PHP script didn't work (white page, even the first echo were not displayed) before looking in the error log and realizing that there were a parse error for a missing semicolon ;o)

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Hi,

 

- You tell that there is no MP3 support in SuSE. I'm not 100% sure but it seems I've read that there is stock MP3 support (almost in Amarok). I can't verify cause I've already installed the win32 codecs...

 

There is no support for MP3 in SUSE. none whatsoever. even in the Retail version. none of the players could play songs - off a network folder or from the desktop.

This is something that needs to be considerd (another reviews on madpenguin stated that). Even DVD playback is not possible until a DSS decrypter library is used.

 

This is isnt something native to only SUSE. Many distros like Red Hat, Fedora do not give support for popular multimedia formats.

 

~A

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There is no support for MP3 in SUSE. none whatsoever. even in the Retail version. none of the players could play songs - off a network folder or from the desktop.

This is something that needs to be considerd (another reviews on madpenguin stated that). Even DVD playback is not possible until a DSS decrypter library is used.

 

My SUSE (Retail Eval download) plays MP3s perfectly, in Amarok and in RealPlayer 10 (even when off mounted NTFS drives). Interestingly, though I can't get XMMS or Kaffeine to play them. :huh:

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i know that !

 

if anyone had read the review properly they would have seen that I wrote this:-

 

Next I inserted a blank CDR into the cd burner and sure enough YaST popped up asking what to do with it, I decided to use k3b and put it to the test. Absolutely no problems with it, burned the files just fine. While waiting a few minutes for the cd to burn, i opened up my newly updated Firefox and put in the following http://anyweb.kicks-ass.net/computers/down.../music/SNAP.MP3 which is an MP3 tune I composed years ago (1995 or so...). As with Suse Linux Professional 9.3, RealPlayer took over and played the MP3. Good stuff, but I still can't for the life of me understand why RealPlay does it and xmms can't (as shipped). Pointing xmms at the same URL produces nada. Not even 'due to licensing issues we don't play MP3's sorry'. Oh well. No big deal.

 

cheers

anyweb

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if anyone had read the review properly they would have seen that I wrote this:-

 

Whoops. I'm sure I read the review, but obviously not well enough :(

 

Anyway, MP3s do play in SUSE...

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don't worry about it dude

 

agreed they play,

 

what i was wondering about was why do they let realplayer do it and not the logical choice xmms

 

cheers

anyweb

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don't worry about it dude

 

agreed they play,

 

what i was wondering about was why do they let realplayer do it and not the logical choice xmms

 

cheers

anyweb

 

Yeah, it does seem strange that XMMS used to play MP3s (in SUSE 9 at least), and now it doesn't seem to (or maybe I'm just bad). Amarok does play MP3s, but it tends to crash quite a lot, which is very irritating.

 

I'm not sure, whether this crashing is something to do with playing MP3s of NTFS drives, as the MP3s I've played are on one of my NTFS Windows partitions and I haven't tried copying them across.

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don't worry about it dude

 

agreed they play,

 

what i was wondering about was why do they let realplayer do it and not the logical choice xmms

 

cheers

anyweb

 

Hi anyweb,

Yea i read about RealPlayer playing the songs (didnt overlook that. Re-read it infact, before i posted. :) ) I couldnt get the mp3s to work on my system. Guess its me only... :huh:

(Hybrid - MP3s on my desktop wouldnt play either. So i doubt its an NTFS thing..)

 

EVen i just cannot understand why XMMS is not updated...wonder why its included at all. Amarok wouldnt play the music on my computer. And for some reason i never even thought of playing it in Real PLayer...

if thats the only app that plays that format, how come XMMS, Caffeine or Amarok are set as default players.

You think it has something to do with XMMS wanting people to visit their site to download the update - or they might be charging distributions extra money to provide the necessary plug-ins..

Just wish there was less updating to be done, right after installation.

(Thanks for the review Anyweb.)

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Amarok wouldnt play the music on my computer.

 

Amarok seems to crash an awful lot. Any one else get this? After it finishes a song it seems to crash, almos every time. :huh: And it's obviously not a filesystem issue :).

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Amarok wouldnt play the music on my computer.

 

Amarok seems to crash an awful lot. Any one else get this? After it finishes a song it seems to crash, almos every time. :huh: And it's obviously not a filesystem issue :).

 

I have a stuff like that, but not a crash. After each song (or before cause I've got it when I launch it, my PCM volume is set to 0)

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Just wanted say great things about SUSE 10.

This is my first time trying any version of Linux after being a Windows user for the past 10 years I

must say the initial show was a bit much. This was a week ago.

Yast setup 98.9% of my hardware automatically. That's great.

My dell wireless card didn't work out of the box and still won't even w/ ndiswrapper.

My Cisco wireless card works great!

 

Once I looked around and got a feel for where things were in Yast I felt right at home.

I'm starting to get a hang of the compiling and installing stuff, but I got a long ways to go to know

what im doing.

 

Now that I've got the basics set up Im very happy. I was able to install and try both included desktops

and am able to logoff and switch to a different session if I wanna be in KDE or Gnome or something else

different altogether. I certainly found that I prefer the setup of GNOME over KDE.

 

Also, I wanted to mention that I had installed the SUSE 10 DVD eval from the SUSE website.

It had everything on it. Alotta GNU extras too like GNU Cash for instance. Real Player does play my mp3s, but I didn't the other one you mentioned.

 

Problems encountered:

Im using a dell d610 laptop.

I attempted to use my dell d-dock port replicator. I setup the dual monitors in YAST, but I must have my KV-

Switch on Linix while it's booting or else I won't be able to return to my system on my monitor.

Sound will not work while on the dock. If I shut down fully and then remove the laptop from the dock sound will

not work.

Fix: I found that if you are still logged in while on the dock to eject it, and restart

Sound is back after the restart.

 

Heres a few screenshots of my personal setup!

I changed the colors and transperancies of the panels.

I also moved a bunch of the little things around and added geyes to my panel. I laughed when I saw them.

ss1.png

With an open window.

ss2.png

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